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byrne
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:06 pm |
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I had Coroner - RIP spinning in the cd player the other day and it got me thinking about bands that I thought peaked at their debut and had wicked initial full lengths. So, where do you thinks bands have not surpassed their first releases? For me:
Slayer - Show No Mercy
At the Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours
Destroyer 666 - Unchain the Wolves
Danzig - Danzig
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (ignoring live in leipzig)
Tormentor - Anno Domini
Aeternus - Beyond the Wandering Moon
Drunkard - Hellish Metal Dominate
Coroner - RIP
Heathen - Breaking the Silence
Overkill - Feel the Fire
Exodus - Bonded by Blood
Enslaved - Vikingligr Veldi
Windir - Arntor
Agalloch - Pale Folklore
Amon Amarth - Once Sent from a Golden Hall
Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus
Cynic - Focus
Astriaal - Renascent Misanthropy
that's all that is coming to my mind at the moment. im sure you will note things I've missed. plus, recommend anything you think others would enjoy. for me, all of the above are MUST have albums. |
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masterswords
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:31 pm |
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Slayer - Show No Mercy
At the Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours
i'd name more, but im too tired i just woke uo |
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Décadent
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:12 am |
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I always think of Drunkard whenever this question is asked.
Opeth - Orchid
Destroyer 666 - Unchain the Wolves
Aeternus - Beyond the Wandering Moon
Nazxul - Totem
Mayhem - DMDS
Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
Well, those come to mind. More later. |
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byrne
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:45 pm |
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Mercyful Fate - Melissa
Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence
Demigod -Slumber of Sullen Eyes
Dissection - The Somberlain
Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Can't believe I forgot those ^^ |
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Danfly
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:37 am |
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Apart from those already mentioned:
Dissection - Somberlain
Battalion - Into harms way (I know that they only have one, but its killer)
Mortification - Break the Curse
The Haunted - The Haunted
And wasn't Destroyer 666's first album Violence is the Prince of this World and not Unchain the Wolves?  |
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Bird
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I definitely agree with Nazxul - Totem, and Amorphis - the Karelian isthmus, Mayhem-DMDS, Slayer - Show no Mercy.
Also Arcturus - Aspera Hymns Symphonia, I will think of a proper list when I'm awake and properly caffeinated.
What about best sideprojects and/or colllaborations?
Definitely Storm - Nordavind.... |
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byrne
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:25 pm |
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And wasn't Destroyer 666's first album Violence is the Prince of this World and not Unchain the Wolves? |
Nope. That was a mini-release, not a full length.
@ Metal_Bird: I <3 you. Barely anyone agrees with me re: Show No Mercy.
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Danfly
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:41 pm |
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How is that a mini release? It has 7 songs, UTW has 8???  |
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DeathFiend
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:03 pm |
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I agree with everyones sept add these to the list:
Black Sabbath (Self titled)
Iron Maiden (Self Titled)
Firewind - Between Heaven And Hell
Waylander - Reawakening Pride Once Lost
Bolt Thrower - In Battle There Is No Law
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Evergrey - The Dark Discovery
I cant think of anymore atm but i'm bound to add some later... |
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byrne
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:12 pm |
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Drudkh - Forgotten Legends has 4 tracks and its an LP and Edge of Sanity - Crimson had one track and was an LP. So clearly track #'s have little bearing on what they are released as.
The release definition is based on both length of the album (minutes) and the bands intention for the release (i.e. full lengths are complete works, typically with all tracks written for THAT album, although there are times when previously unreleased material will make it in, or collections of old songs will be included.)
Anyway, what it boils down to is the bands intention. Violence is the Prince of this World was released as a mini.  |
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LukeLord
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:05 pm |
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Totally agree with slayer and coroner but all the coroner releases are not much further behind!!!
Here's some of my fav debuts, oldies but goodies... (like me!!)
What about these....
DEATH ANGEL- THE ULTRA VIOLENCE
ENTOMBED- LEFT HAND PATH
DEICIDE- DEICIDE
PESTILENCE- MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
HEAVY METAL ARMY- HEAVY METAL ARMY
SHAMAN- THE RITUAL
DIO- HOLY DIVER
MANOWAR- BATTLE HYMNS (DARK AVENGER FUCKING KILLS!!!)
DARK TRANQUILITY- THE GALLERY
HAMMERFALL- GLORY TO THE BRAVE
NOCTURNUS- THE KEY
MOB RULES- SAVAGE LAND
MORBID ANGEL- ALTARS OF MADNESS
OPHTHALAMIA- A JOURNEY INTO DARKNESS
DEATH- SCREAM BLOODY GORE
AUTOPSY- SEVERED SURVIVAL
ANCIENT- SVARTALVHEIM (ONE OF THE MOST UNDER-RATED BLACK METAL RELEASES EVER, SHAME EVERYTHING ELSE THEY RELEASED SUCKED SOOO HARD...)
PARADISE LOST- LOST PARADISE
EMPEROR- IN THE NIGHTSIDE ECLIPSE
GUNS N ROSES- APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
AXEHAMMER- LORD OF THE REALM
HALFORD- RESURRECTION
METALIUM- MILLENIUM METAL-CHAPTER ONE
VISION DIVINE- VISION DIVINE
BEHERIT- THE OATH OF BLACK BLOOD
check some of these out!!  |
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Décadent
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:19 pm |
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Ahh yes, how could I forget Altars of Madness? The only MA release I care about, and it kicks my fucking arse sideways. |
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Danfly
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:37 pm |
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Drudkh - Forgotten Legends has 4 tracks and its an LP and Edge of Sanity - Crimson had one track and was an LP. So clearly track #'s have little bearing on what they are released as.
The release definition is based on both length of the album (minutes) and the bands intention for the release (i.e. full lengths are complete works, typically with all tracks written for THAT album, although there are times when previously unreleased material will make it in, or collections of old songs will be included.)
Anyway, what it boils down to is the bands intention. Violence is the Prince of this World was released as a mini. |
I wasn't necessarily suggesting that track numbers had anything to do with whether its an album or not, as in the case of Crimson. I was just trying to make a comparison that the next album had a similar amount of songs, and that a 7 track release is more likely to be called an album rather than a mini release. Demo's or mini's are generally only say 4 tracks long. And to an extent you could call it a demo as it was mainly sessionists filling in on the album, rather than a solid lineup.
However all the information i've read on it, calls it a debut album.
Anyway the bottom line is Unchain the Wolves is far superior to it, which is your point in the first place  |
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Bird
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:07 am |
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Emperor, Nightside eclispe - not the first album, (although the first with big-ish production and aimed for o/s release?), otw it would have been first on my list.
Or perhaps this also comes down to the semantics of what exactly constitutes an album, ep, lp, etc?
Alters of Madness (np, btw), what a brilliant album.. |
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militia
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Possessed - Seven Churches
Stratovarius - Fright Night
Necrophagist - Onset of Putrefaction
Hypnosia - Extreme Hatred
Vader - The Ultimate Incantation
Vilence - Eternal Nightmare
Artillery - Fear of Tomorrow
Queensryche - The Warning
Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly
Atheist - Piece Of Time
Exumer - Possessed by Fire
Heathen - Breaking The Silence
Iced Earth - Night of the Stormrider (a year after Iced Earth, shame it isnt their debut).
Sepultura - Schizophrenia (less than a year after Morbid Visions which was killer) |
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